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Re: What would it take to? -- 74Grabber Post Reply Top of thread Maverick Message Board
Posted by: Fred H ®
2001/08/26, 20:46:23

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David:

It sounds like you have a pretty good combination there. My only suggestions would be to not use the 351W heads, that you try to keep compression at at least 9.5:1, install a slightly and you run a little looser converter. Having said this, please allow me to explain my rationale.

While a 351W cylinder head has more potential than a 289/302 cylinder head, it will hurt the performance of a 302 engineered to run low 13's. The reason for this is two-fold. First of all, a 351W cylinder head will greatly reduce compression as its chamber size is considerably larger than its 302 counterpart. Secondly, the port volume is larger in the 351W head than in the 302 head. The combination of these two things will kill what little torque a 302 makes and so desperately needs. My suggestion would be to fund a set of closed chambered 289 cylinder heads and have them ported. You would be surprised at how much power they can make.

Compression is also a key factor in making the power you want. I am assuming that this is to be a daily driven motor. Therefore I would run no lower than 9.5:1 and preferably 10.5:1 compression. A flat-top piston with the closed chamber 289 cylinder head will get you where you need to be. Some will tell you that 10.5:1 is too much to drive on pump gas. I promise that is simply not true. If you keep the ignition timing reasonable, knock any sharp edges off the pistions and chambers, and run 93 octane gas, you will have absolutely no detonation problems. Higher compression will give you more torque and allow you to run more camshaft.

The reason for more camshaft is to take advantage of the cylinder head porting. The cam that you mentioned seems a little conservative and fine for unported factory heads. On a daily driven motor, I would recommend something around .500-.525 lift and .050 durations in the low 230's range. I would also tighten up the lobe separation angle to 110-112. If possible, I would use a solid cam. Their profiles are snappier and make more power. This ought to allow you to run the motor up to 6500-7000 rpm range and provide more lope that you are looking for.

As for the converter, something around 3000 stall is perfect. However, I cannot stress the importance of spending the $ on a good converter. You definitely get what you pay for. A high quality converter will not slip as much while driving and give you the performance you need when racing.

The 3.73 sounds perfect (assuming that you using an 8", 3.73 may be hard to find), especially if you plan on using NOS. If you do not run NOS, I would use 4:10's. I would also run a 650-700 cfm carburetor and a large dual plane (e.g. Performer RPM) or small single plane (e.g Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic, old-style Torker).

This may seem like a lot but my recommendations would not cost much more as you were already planning on cylinder head porting, pistons, camshaft and converter and none of my suggestions requires exotic parts or machine work.

I assure you that your car will run no slower than low 13's and probably even in the 12's on the motor if you follow these ideas. It will be a very streetable and reliable and will even get reasonable fuel mileage. My Maverick used to have a 302 with a 750 dp, 4500 converter and 4.86 gears and would get around 10-11 mpg cruising at 3000 rpm (45mph).

Good luck with the project. I hope it turns out as you plan.


:Get a 1974 grabber 302 into the low 13's WITHOUT nos.... mind you the NOS will be there but i want low 13's on engine.... The car i have is 2900lbs factory. For a stock car now (138hp and 230ft/tq) it does have some zip to it it has posi in it and 3.00 gearing. What i was thinking about was to take and get a 302 form the junkyard, have it preped .030. Get some 351 heads and have them preped and pocket ported. Add a 4bbl manifold and holly 600cfm. Get the C4 tranny rebuilt with a decent shift kit(see seperate post about that). Add a 2500 stall. get 373 gears put in. Add a cam as follows - 276/286 218/228 (at 050) .471/.471 and 114 sep, headers and duel exhaust. Think that might do it? My friend suggests a roller block cam 302 with a F303, he has one and it sounds mean - i want the same type of lope. I do not think my stock 8.0 compression engine will do low 13's if add the above - nor do i think it would handle the power well. Anyways lemme know what ya think. I want low 13's on engine, i want a decent lope to the engine and i wiegh 2900 pounds.
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