I agree Wes, narrow minds and children always are whining about something. When I was growing up, the wood shed and a hickory switch would rectify most things like that. Good luck Ray, I appreciate your info and those of us who buy and sell on ebay, know the rules. There is always a few bad apples there too, but that's part of life and those who go by the rules prevail. I read this board to get info on Mav's etc. Sometimes even give my opinion on things, don't know it all but after 60yrs of building, racing and wrenching cars I might be able to give input to someone elses problems. I have also learned more on this board than you can imagine, thanks for the lesson on consoles Ray, Wes, you didn't offend me, you spoke your mind and thats why we live in America.