'72 Grabber fuel pump issue?

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Jamie Miles, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. Jamie Miles

    Jamie Miles the road warrior

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2005
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    383
    Location:
    Lawrenceville, GA
    Vehicle:
    13 Mavericks
    Last time I drove the '72 Grabber was Thanksgiving last year. When I went to park it, I remember it was running kind of bad, it didn't want to idle or run right. I figured it was out of gas and didn't think much of it. Well, I dumped a couple gallons of gas in it the other day and tried to start it. Nothing, no gas getting to the carb. So I went through and blew through the fuel lines and everything to make sure nothing was plugged up. When I pulled the rubber line just behind the torque box loose under the car, gas came out, so I know I've gas up to there at least. I replaced the rubber line down there at the same time, as it was dry rotted. Tried to start again, still nothing. Dumped some gas down the carb, fires up, runs for a few seconds, dies. Classic fuel delivery problem. Thought maybe it was the fuel pump, so I put another known working fuel pump on it. Same thing, tried over and over to get it started and it is just not pumping fuel for some reason. I've verified all the fuel lines and everything are clear, I even took a piece of rubber line and hooked to the fuel pump and stuck it directly in a can of gas, and it wouldn't suck it up. I just don't get why it's not pumping?? The car has the original 148,000 mile 302.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2008
  2. eddie1975

    eddie1975 Windsor Specialist

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,226
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Martinsburg, WV
    Vehicle:
    sold
    did you look at the pick up? it may have picked up some dirt in the tank
     
  3. Jamie Miles

    Jamie Miles the road warrior

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2005
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    383
    Location:
    Lawrenceville, GA
    Vehicle:
    13 Mavericks
    Yes, as I said I verified there was nothing blocking any portion of the fuel lines. I even tried connecting a rubber line directly to the fuel pump and putting it directly in a can of gas and it wouldn't suck that up.
     
  4. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    When you installed the pump, are you sure that you got the actuating arm on the bottom of the pump eccentric? If not the arm won't move and no gas will pump.
    When you had the pump hooked to a can of gas did you pull the line at the carb to see if it was getting there? It might be a stuck needle. Sometimes you can free a stuck needle and seat by tapping on the carb above or on the side where the inlet is. It may fix the problem temporarily but if it sticks once you should probably replace it with a good kit. (the cheep kits come with bad needle and seats sometimes - or the go bad soon after installation.
     
  5. Jamie Miles

    Jamie Miles the road warrior

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2005
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    383
    Location:
    Lawrenceville, GA
    Vehicle:
    13 Mavericks
    Yea, I installed the pump correctly. Have installed several in the past. I have a clear fuel filter just before the carb, so I can see if any gas is getting up there. It's dry. I just read on another forum about the lobe that operates the pump may have worn flat. I hope that's not the problem, but I am going to look into it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2008
  6. mean_maverick

    mean_maverick Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    7,312
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Location:
    Irvine, Kentucky
    Vehicle:
    '73 4dr

    if you've already replaced the pump, and can verify gas is getting to the pump but not past it, the eccentric (ie. fuel pump lobe) is probably worn down like the other forum mentioned. ive never seen one do it but anything is possible. not that bad of a job to change if that's the problem, just gotta tear the front of the motor apart. keep us posted :bouncy:
     
  7. Dave B

    Dave B I like Mavericks!

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2002
    Messages:
    16,931
    Likes Received:
    215
    Trophy Points:
    347
    Location:
    Parts Unknown......
    Vehicle:
    3 Grabbers
    It would have to be worn down quite a bit before it would stop moving the arm for the pump, you would think??
     
  8. 71gold

    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    26,586
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    Trophy Points:
    978
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    MACON,GA.
    Vehicle:
    '73 Grabber


    pump lobe :huh: what dat???


    eccentric...if it's worn down, there will be ...noise..
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2008
  9. Grabber5.0

    Grabber5.0 Gear-head wannabe

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2002
    Messages:
    2,199
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    127
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    Vehicle:
    71 Grabber
    The bolt holding the eccentric in place can back out if it's not locktite'd and the eccentric will not turn. Took me one brand new fuel pump and a few phone calls to discover that problem could exist. That was the first time (this was 1994 or 95) I ever had my timing cover off. Great learning experience. They can also break if they are not the two-piece style normally used on our cars, but I'd think it would take some extreme mileage for that to happen.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2008
  10. Grabber5.0

    Grabber5.0 Gear-head wannabe

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2002
    Messages:
    2,199
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    127
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    Vehicle:
    71 Grabber
    He's referring to the fuel pump eccentric. See my post above. I imagine you've seen one of those before.
     
  11. Dave B

    Dave B I like Mavericks!

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2002
    Messages:
    16,931
    Likes Received:
    215
    Trophy Points:
    347
    Location:
    Parts Unknown......
    Vehicle:
    3 Grabbers
    I'm sure he knows....:hmmm: But then again some posts make a person wonder...
     
  12. 71gold

    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    26,586
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    Trophy Points:
    978
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    MACON,GA.
    Vehicle:
    '73 Grabber

    like the one on the front of this motor i built last week...

    ...Frank...
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
  13. 71gold

    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    26,586
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    Trophy Points:
    978
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    MACON,GA.
    Vehicle:
    '73 Grabber
    if he was referring to the...fuel pump eccentric...he would have said...fuel pump eccentric ...and not..."lobe that operates the pump". :tiphat:

    ...:thumbs2:...
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2008
  14. Grabber-1

    Grabber-1 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    76
    Location:
    long island ny
    Vehicle:
    71 maverick
    Jamie try cracking the line at the clear filter ...dump some gas down the carb start er up and see if you get any thing out of the line. if the seat is sealed shut it wont pump the gas up cause the air is pressurized in the line thats why you need to open it
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2008
  15. Dave B

    Dave B I like Mavericks!

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2002
    Messages:
    16,931
    Likes Received:
    215
    Trophy Points:
    347
    Location:
    Parts Unknown......
    Vehicle:
    3 Grabbers
    Did you do that all by yourself??:clap:
     

Share This Page