For those that went, or even if you didn't, there were 5 "c" powered cars on the show field. I regestered a complaint since the rules specifically state "Ford Powered", and it is listed as the "ALL FORD NATIONALS." You can go here and help put an end to these heinous acts. http://www.carlisleforums.com/showthread.php?p=9939#post9939
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the moderators aprove my post before it's allowed. Here's what I wrote to them just in case you never get to see it there. You'll see the event managers quote first. My responce to his post: Hmmm...kinda makes you wonder about how much the event manager had to do with it with that kind of response. You could absolutely do something about it. I was at Fun Ford Weekend in Atlanta last April and there was a Ford street rod that snuck into the (All Ford Powered) show with your so-called industry standard 350 (and I can complain...a lot). He didn't raise the hood the first day and obviously figured he was home free. Someone saw the engine on the second day of the show and complained and the officials promptly refunded his money and escorted him and his car out of the gate. I gained a lot of respect for the FFW officials when I saw that take place. I mean "Think about it"...this is FORDS at CARLISLE!!! The biggest FORD show in the country. What gives? I'm really disappointed in your attitude about this issue. Cost and easy access in a bunch of crap too. And we can't help it because the Chevy guys can't find a great looking car to put their motor in either. I just can't imagine myself going out and trying to find a good looking Chevy to put my 347 Ford stroker in. I am WAY too proud of my "all Ford" products to do something like that. I know most Chevy guys feel the same way about their cars and I respect that. I'm not even a Chevy hater. I've owned a quite a few Chevies over the years and like a lot of them but I prefer Ford products. I just think Fords should be Ford powered and Chevies should be Chevy powered but that's my opinion.
Guys that I met that crossbread there cars usually do it just to bother the pure bloods. Theres allways a comment like haha thats the best part of the car or I wanted this to really run and thats what Ihad to do. I say all ford it should be all ford.
I agree with Mavoholic 100%. It is an all Ford show, not a 95% Ford show with a little Chevy thrown in under the radar. The reasoning Rich ( the event manager ) gave sounds pretty lame to me. If the show staff was made aware of the non Ford powered cars, the cars owners should have been politely told to remove thier cars. I do believe they they dropped the ball by allowing the cars to remain on the field. I bet that kind of stuff would not be tolerated at the All GM Nationals. Could you imagine the uproar that would occur if someone showed up in a Chevelle SS with a 351 Cleveland stuffed under the hood? They would probably give the guy a police escort off the property.
i think it should be like the chevy's show they have here, you can have any car as long as its power by chevy.
I agree completly, but ford motor company is too blame a little bit also. If they would not charge outragous price for there performance parts the adverage working person could aford to buy parts and not buy the cheaper 350 at about a dime a dozen When I was engine searching I had a good laugh the price I paid for my engine I could have bought 2 and half 350 at the same horse power ratings (I think there something wrong there) If you ever see me at a normal car show I'am the one going up and shaking the owners hand if they a ford street rod powered by a ford engine the only way it should be.
Okay...let's compare apples to apples. What exactly costs more if you are building a 302 Ford verses a 305 Chevy engine, or maybe a 351 windsor verses a 350 chevy? I've never seen these tremendous differences some people claim. Can you give me some specific examples? I'd really like to check them out myself to see if they are true.
Ok maybe not outragous and not all fords fault that was going a little far. I am sitting here going through a Ford Performance catalog, and a 302-345HP long block in selling for about $4,300 you have to add your own intake, distributer,carb, plug wires(I know its alot of trivial stuff but say with me here) If you look at a gm catalog you can get a complete turnkey 350-330HP for about $3,600. There are other examples the difference may only be a couple of dollars between parts. (In the long run every dollar no matter how small the difference it adds up fast). Some parts may even be cheaper than gm parts it happens. If you do a budget build I would say the gm is the cheaper way to go, more parts available. There are more compaines out there that specialize in gm products which in turn lowers prices. Just open up any mail order catalog and you should see the difference although not outragous or even huge its still a difference. Every penny people can save they will. With all that said it comes down to supply and demand more people demand gm products, the more they make lots of supply sometimes cheaper prices. I have noticed that some of the Ford performance parts and even regular stock parts are comming down in prices as more and more people are building ford cars and trucks.
I think the whole Chevy in a Ford deal started back in the late 50's. Chevy came out with the small block, and it was a great fit in the early pre 49 models, about the same as the flathead. Ford's smallblock didn't come out untill about 64, nearly ten years after the Chevy. The Ford smallblock takes a bit more work to install into a pre 49 car- It's a little longer, but it has been done by many.So the street rod crowd had a ten year start using the Chevy, so they are comfortable with it. As far as parts go, again Chevy had a ten year start on Ford with the small block, so it's understandable that there are more available performance parts for the Chevy. Many of them are cheaper, but that doesn't mean they are better. With the advent of the 5.0 Mustangs, Ford parts became more plentiful and cheaper. Many of them can be bought for the same or a lesser price than a comparable Chevy part. As far as crossbreding goes, that has always been a hot rod tradition-you ever seen a Caddilac engine in a Studebaker, or a Dodge Hemi in a Willys? How about a Ford smallblock in an AC Roadster, which became known as a Shelby Cobra? I even put a Buick V6 in a Toyota pickup once. The debate will always rage over which is the better engine, but I do feel like Dennis and Ray on this one, if it is billed as a "ALL FORD" show, that's what it should be, Ford cars with Ford engines in them. There is plenty of places to show a crossbred car where they will be accepted, but if you advertise a show as all one make, that's what it should be, one make.
I was at the carlilse fairgrounds this weekend at a flea market and there was a 1976 setting for sale that I guess was left from the ford show. Did any of you see this car and if you did what did you think of it? Dave
After the show the fine folks at Carlisle emailed me a survey asking my opinion of the show. In two places on that survey I was able to complain about the Shivey powered vehicles. We'll see if it does any good.
