Gas Saver HHO generator... ever use one?

With gas prices nowadays I'm wandering if anyone has tried one of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Part...QddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170224795834& if that doesn't work just search HHO on ebay... just trying to find a way to save on gas and keep my car. don't want to have to sell it.

 

I've wondered about this myself but havent ever checked into it any further. Here is a link that also has some more info on the subject and a few videos.

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/

Would be a great thing if it actually worked.

 

if gas keeps going insane we all might be looking into this. i too am trying to find ways to get better gas mileage. i might do some more research into this.

 

A guy a work put one on his fuel injected 4-cylinder last year .. it did diddley squat for his mileage and is know sitting in a junk pile ... Maybe work differently with a carb but I doubt it.

 

Here is a guide to make one yourself.

http://smacksboosters.110mb.com/Smack.pdf

I won't be. So many projects, so little time. I'd like to hear from someone who has had REAL success with it.

 

Don't know about these but I did try the E3 spark plus in my wifes Explorer and I'm getting 3 more MPG. Every little bit helps.

 

mythbusters said it didn't work. they did a show on it last year or so. and if spark plugs give you a 3 mpg gain,then your old ones were way old and going bad,and just putting any new ones in would have helped.

 

Well, if you read the article it says you only have to fill the unit once a week. If your engine is running on the hydrogen then you would go through the same amount of water (actually more) as you do gasoline. Pound for pound hydrogen has fewer calories (heat) than gasoline. You would need to go through 15 pounds of water to equal one pound of gasoline (because gasoline uses air from the outside and the hydrogen has it's oxygen in the mix).
This is just another way for hustlers to make money off people who believe without thinking about the facts of the product they are buying.
Maghnets on the fuel line, vanes that spin the air going through your carb, water injection and hydrogen generators all belong in science fantasy nagazines not in our engine compartment.

 

The way I understand these to work, it is a supplement, not a replacement.

I built one of these last fall and it is sitting in my garage right now. It works well to create Brown's gas. At 12v it creates alot of gas - I'll reduce it to limit draw on the alternator (there's a balance between the gas output and the draw). I don't know how it will affect MPG because I haven't installed it yet. I built it using a water filter housing (clear so I could watch), stainless steel switch plates, and all-thread. I have a '95 Saturn 1.9 SOHC 5 Speed that I'm planning on using as a test car. There are some videos on the subject. Some people claim outrageous gains, but I think a couple of miles per gallon may be more believable (if that). Nothing will answer the question better than an actual test.

 

I agree with 90% of what is written below and mythbuster did do a segment on it and said it didn't work. they actually tested the one that the guy on Ebay is selling the plans for.

BUT BUT BUT and I think this is theBIG picture I think the guy on Ebay is selling this thing not as an alternative fuel to actually give you better mileage, I think he is selling it because it actually DOES produce hydrogen and will put hydrogen into your carb on your car and with that said there are TAX laws that allow you to claim up to $5,000 or so dollars off of your taxes for the year if you put one of these on your cars AND CLAIM that you are running and alternative fueled vehicle.

Also the one thing I have to say about it actually working is there is a guy that has a gasoline hydrogen (water) hybrid that is running and gets like 100 miles to the gallon of gas because he mixes it with the hydrogen he pruduces and I actually watch the television special about this guy and his car and whatever he is doing actually works. They people that filmed the special tested the car and the hydrogen making device and said it is absolutely real. He started out using water and a hydrogen making devise as a alternative TORCH to cut and heat metal. and from there he got the idea that if he could convert enough water into hydrogent hen it should work in a car engine and he modifies his hydrogen (water) torch to work on his Ford Escort or Chevy Cavalier or some such compact car. I was sceptical myself but the guy has a patent and liek I said the TV show that inestigated it said it really works and he was getting over 100MPG of Gas by mixing it with the hydrogen he produced with his invention and water

 

As a researcher I have to say I cringe when I hear this topic come up. The topic of perpetual motion and breaking the law of conservation of energy inevitably comes up and then all logical thought falls out the window.

When looking at HHO (or any other technology/invention that reaks of "snake oil") it's important for people to exercise their right to skepticism. Rational argument is a necessity in filtering out the plausible from the obviously fraudulent claims.

I'm not a chemist or a physicist so I can't say whether HHO as a supplemental fuel is plausible, but it might be. I can say that I don't think any of the solutions available today are plausible, and I can definitely say that HHO as a sole source of fuel is not only implausible but provably impossible by the law of conservation of energy. (By impossible I mean impossible to attain better efficiency than running on electricity directly, however it may be useful for other reasons not stated.)

In discussing this topic with a friend of mine I have read two papers. First, the laughably psuedoscientific paper “A new gaseous and combustible form of water,” by R.M. Santilli. Second, a response to that paper "Comments on “A new gaseous and combustible form of water,” by R.M. Santilli (Int. J. Hydrogen Energy 2006: 31(9), 1113–1128)" by J.M. Calo. The later of which basically disproves every statement in the original paper.

I have also watched the videos on the supposed breakthrough with HHO welding. An important point on that is stated on Wikipedia is that HHO welding was actually invented back in 1977 by Yull Brown. And, according to a source that I can't remember offhand, it is actually a pretty poor form of welding. The fact that the videos never mention any of this makes me skeptical of any 100mpg claims made thereafter.

The important point though is "The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen (HHO) always exceeds the energy released by combusting it. (See Electrolysis of water:Efficiency)." as stated on Wikipedia:HHO. So, if you are doing the electrolysis (or electrolysing or whatever funky name you want to give it) onboard the vehicle, then there is always a net loss in energy. The only way HHO would be plausible as a gasoline supplement is if the energy is being created by the alternator with no affect on the existing fuel mileage. For instance, if you were using maybe 12volts under normal opteration, but your alternator could produce 14 volts under the same operating conditions without affecting fuel economy, then you would have an extra 2volts to perform electrolysis without degrading your MPG. Plausible, but highly unlikely to be significant in my opinion.

As a final reference, check the Ford Six Performance archives, there have been a couple of discussions on this (which I admit to not following entirely) and one member Bort62 seems relatively well versed in the area and believes HHO to be a viable fuel supplement.

However, be skeptical.

Jason

 

Yes this follows the general rule of energy conversion: you get less than you started with. The only way I believe to work is if it only adds slightly. There's no way that this can produce 100MPG alone. This is why I want to do a real world test. I've been tracking MPG on my Saturn for over a year now, so I have a good basis of MPG values to start with. I'll continue to record them and continue to drive in the same manner after installing the "device". We'll see what kind of improvement really happens. I'm sure there is tweaking that may need to happen too.

 

How much does the HHO generator hold? That is all the fuel you have to be made. Remember that your engine uses gaseous gasoline and air to produce power and so much is required that it has to be supplied to the engine in liquid form. The small amount of Hydrogen/oxygen produced by these units isn'y enough to power a lawn mower engine at idle.
Let's say the unit holds a quart of water that lasts a week before being replenished. (I know they hold less water than that) In a week of driving you go through a tank of fuel - 14 gallons - so IF the unit consumes 1 quart in the same time that is just 1/56 of your fuel is actually being "replaced" by the HHO. That is not chemically accurate because we would actually have to go by weight and add in the weight of the air that your car is consuming as well but that would bring the amount of added fuel from the HHO down to an insignificant level. As for adding mileage I say phooie because it is going through the carburetor and that increases the density of the air which increases the fuel pulled from the bowl. That would make your car run richer (extremely slightl because of the small amount of HHO) and give you less milage. All of this ignores the previous topic of the power required to run the alternator and the losses in the electrical system that add to the power required to use the device.
There will always be someone selling something to people who refuse to get the facts and of those there will always be some who claim big benifits but stop using the device after some period of time. When are those surface gap spark plugs going to be re-introduced again? They NEVER wear out and fire even in oil! there is no ground electrode to where out - what could be better - well at least they are useful in 2 cycle outboards with CD ignitions. Don't try them in your car.... they don't work!

 

84 lbs of gasoline at 14:1 air/fuel ratio
1176 lbs of air
1260 pounds of air/fuel compared to 1.75 lbs of HHO for each tank of driving. Hmmmm..... Any claims of any additional power or economy is BS.

the 270 watts being used requires .2 hp - since there is no perceptable hp being made by the tiny amount of HHO gas being generated then there is a net loss in the system. The power needed to drive the alternator to supply the .2hp is .25 hp from the engine. That requires an amount of fuel and air equal (roughly) to 4 times what is being produced by the HHO generator.
Physics is fact.
It ain't fricken magic!

 

That's right - it's not.

I'm not arguing for them or against them. I'm just going to do a real world test. I drive the same route every day and have alot of historical data on my Saturn - so I've a good basis of data. I'll post the results when I get it installed. If it goes up, down, or stays the same - we'll know.