c4 swap to 5 speed manual

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    i have a 70 maverick with a 302 v8 and im thinking about changing the c4 auto to a 5 speed manual. Any suggestions on what type to go with or tips on putting one in would be greatly appriciated
     
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    Do a search for the T5 swap. there is also a tech article by Mashori that covers it in detail in the the Tech Article Forum. Ill be doing the same swap in the next few weeks.
     
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    The popular one is the T5 the other option is the higher horsepower rated Tremec either TKO's or 3550(they share the same case) but you can count the number of people on here that run those on one hand.
    There isnt really any more work putting a tremec in, it is hard to say since you have a 70 though, probable tunnel modifications for either transmission because of the narrower transmission tunnel on the 70s. But primarily it is the costs. You can find a used T5 in the several hundred dollar range, but the tremecs start out in the $1000 range for used...(that is unless they have absolutely had the snot beaten out of them)
    But to get the horespower/torque rating up to the Tremec rating on a T5 you have to get a set of aftermarket gears like the G-force like Mashori has or some Astro performance gears, that ends up making the T5 more expensive then a Tremec TKO 600, so if you are planning on a high horsepower engine then the tremec might be a viable option.


    Oh and on a little different note I like the Tremec a little better,I bet you cant figure our why:rolleyes::rofl2:
     
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    i've done my fair share of research and for the not-so-mechanically savvy the T-5 has ALOT of info out there. and ALOT of parts and help. but if you're completely confident with your mech skills. and have the $$$$ I'd do tremec... I would if I had the $$$$
     
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    Tremecs are nice. But unless you are putting out big power the t5 will serve you just fine.

    Jordans mav, since your car is not a factory clutch car you may want to do the hydraulic clutch setup. Bryant is working on having some brackets made to bolt in the pedal and master cylinder setup. Should be real helpful for those of us, like me, that have no metal fab skills.
     
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    Agreed on the hydraulics.. and yes I will admit that my transmission might be a little overkill but it is definitely not the weak link in my drivetrain
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    Allot of us use the brackets from rosehill for the T5/tremec itself, and I used the willwood master cylinder from them too, it seemed to be the cheapest and easiest to mount and it works great. Its got the feel of a new car clutch pedal, really good and easy setup.

    http://www.rosehillperformanceparts.com/Products_Page.htm#-:T5%20Hydraulic%20Clutch%20Bracket%20Kit:-

    so with the T5 kit you get a CNC slave cylinder and bracket for $155.00 + 10.99 S&H if you opt for the willwood MC that is another $69.00(free shipping if ordered with slave kit) and the braided stainless line $39.00 your total for the clutch hydraulics ends up being $274.98 and you can use factory maverick pedals.

    If you dont have the factory pedals you will probably have to fabricate a pedal unit in like Mashori did in his car, or find a set of factory pedals.(I thought it was easiest to use factory maverick pedals and the willwood master, not much fabrication involved, just drilled six holes, two for the remote resivor, and bolted it in...)

    The only other option is if you are trying to do a cable setup, with that you can buy a set of fox body mustang pedals, cut them out of the frame and then adapt them into your maverick pedal assembly, but then you have to deal with the whole quadrents and cable setup:cry:
     
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    i used the CNC clutch pedal package. think I paid 280 or so for everything. then another 60 in fittings and high pressure line and steel brake hose. Made a 1/8 inch steel mount for the pedal bracket inside the car. flipped the pull type slave around so it pulled hte fork to the tab on the bell housing. It is an AWESOME set up. But it's probably not the most rock solid. I have patterns made up for the CNC clutch pedal assembly to place it in. I can get em to ya if you go that route. jsut PM me.
     
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    Word to the wise. Don't screw with anything that's not hydraulic unless it's factory.. .you'll just end up wasting time. 300 bucks for a solid hydraulic is worth it. (stiffening firewall. fabbing pedal and cable pull. al that crap can just be avoided) I tried for two weeks unsuccessfulyl to try and get the cable clutch and pedal out of the 86 i took the T-5 from to work. Only to draw the conclusion that It would never be as bullet proof as an hydraulic set up and deffinently not as clean.
     
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    I did a cable set up on mine. Did it in one weekend with a old mustang peddle and misc metel laying around the shop. When I get a chance I'll try to snap some pics.
     

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