need help cant bolt up my c4 to my 289

I bought one new (aftermarket)...it cost me a whole lot of time and money before I found it was drilled offset. tore up several front pumps and converter snouts before I went to a used stock one...just saying...

 

I'd definitely want a used stock one lol. Just don't know what I'm looking for.

 

Pics of the trans here. C4 on the left. Original on the right.

 

http://s299.photobucket.com/user/outcrydrummer/media/IMG_20130428_170710_895_zps087ee2a7.jpg.html

 

OK so I'm in a little bit of a pickle here. Help me decide please.

I found another ford o magic for 250......
I also found a 302 for 300.....

I know my 289 is good but I'm still stuck with the 5 bolt bell housing and a 2 speed hard to find tranny ifni stay with that.

Or I roll the dice on a 302 and put all my nice accessories on it and bolt it up to the c4 I already bought.

Please post your thoughts.

 

I'd use the 302. Most of the stuff you bought for the 289 will fit it, parts are much easier to get for it, and you can sell the 289 and its trans to someone who's restoring an earlier car!

 

The 250 came out in 1969. Any transmission on a 250 is a 6-bolt bellhousing and won't fit a 5-bolt block. I have a 5-bolt 289 in my Falcon and know there are some parts off a 6-bolt engine will not fit a 5-bolt block. For one thing is the water pump is different.

 

I had a 1964 289 with a 5 bolt bell with an automatic behind it, it was a 2 speed. My tranny guy switched it's valve body and made it a c4 but it had a crack in the case. I thought I was totally screwed at this point but he said get him another C4 and he would just switch cases. I found him a '72 C4 and he put that case behind my 5 bolt bell with no problem.

I know there are 5 bolt C4 bells out there.

SPark

 

Water pumps changed for 1966, a year after the six bolt bell was introduced... Timing covers differ, not the block, '65 earlier requires a pump with exposed impeller vs rear cover type...

 

AFAIK there are not enough internals to make a a C4 out of a 2 speed Ford-O-Matic, plus cases are different with the cast on bell vs removable on the C4... If I remember correctly, the alu F-O-M doesn't even have a removable tail housing...

The 5 bolt bell was used for the 1964 model year which includes early 1965('64½) Mustang...

 

The tailhousing was removable on the 2-speed. If you look hard enough through all the junk you can see the tailhousing is missing from the transmission that came in my 64 2-door wagon.

 

Gotcha...

I've never owned a true two speed F-O-M, been a long time since I had anything to do with one of those... Pop had one in a '62 Galaxie and a buddy had one in a '59 Fairlane 500 he bought with a dead 332(open hood, heads were in the trunk, had been rained in, etc... We swapped a 292 and three speed into it from a '59 Custom that had been sideswiped...

My curiosity of their actual configuration lead me on a search, found this PDF that shows the F-O-M two speed along with C4, C6, etc...

I believe this link is going to require copy and paste

www.northland-falcons.com/article/falcon-autospecs.pdf

 

Krazy- Here some more history on Ford's AT's http://www.wordsmithllc.org/uploads/Ford_Transmission_Anniversary.pdf

 

Getting kind of burned out now. Looked at several ford o matics to find they were inline 6 2 speeds with a tiny bell housing and different starter locations. Also looked at a few 302 and 289s but nothing worth taking home. Seems impossible to find a ford o matic or a 5 bolt c4 bell housing at this point.

 

If you're looking for a set of new tail light lenses for that Falcon, I have a couple of sets.