engine problems please help!

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  1. digital808dj

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    I was going to work and I looked out the back window and alot of white smoke was pouring out , so I pulled over and the car had no leaks and there was no noise before the car started smoking. I got the car towed home and tried to start it again and it would not turn over so I pushed the accelerator down and tried it again then I heard a noise in the engine like it siezed up. I have a 73 with a 302 any help would be greatly apprieciated.:slap:
     
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    Check your oil. You could have a blowen head gasket where water got in to the oil. Thats why you your white smoke.
     
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    What they said.
     
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    what do I do to fix the problem besides an oilchange and replacing the head gasket. how do I get the water out of the engine and unsieze it. this is my every day driver I'm ok with working on the car but I have never had a car blow a head gasket.
     
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    I would start by removing all the spark plugs and cranking the engine. It will force out the water and you can tell if that was the problem. If you bent a rod like the link above the engine would need to be pulled and more than likely rebuilt ....
     
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    remove the spark plugs and look at them, looking for a wet plug. turn the engine over by hand with a breaker bar on the crank bolt, if possible. see if liquid comes out of any cylinders. see if you can get a full turn on the engine. check coolant level; if low and no leaks visible, maybe going into a cylinder and/or oil. check oil level; if high, then maybe water in oil. general rule of thumb is if burning is blue, then oil. if white, then either water or trans fluid (from a blown modulator valve). anyway, make sure the cylinders are clear and the engine can turn over. if you try to start and run with liquid in a cylinder, it will not compress and you can either bend a rod, or split a cylinder wall. been there, done that.
     
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    well I pulled all the spark plugs off and the second spark plug hole from the back on the left side started pouring out water. So I guess I know what the problem is now. Next step getting the heads off are there any steps that I should know about before doing this myself or any problems anybody has run into before when changing head gaskets. Thanks for all the help I can't afford to take it in and I don't have anybody to show me how to do this stuff so you guys are my only help and everyone on this message board has been a great help in the past thanks again.
     
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    #1 ... Get a Chiltons ...

    You need a new head gasket, intake gasket set, gasket sealer/maker, exhaust gaskets

    In reality you only need to do the one head ... not both. But in a nutshell ...

    #1 ... Drain Cooling system
    #2 ... Remove Distributor
    #3 ... Remove Fuel line connections, thottle cable and wiring harness connections on engine .. vacuum hoses too. Also remove the shock tower brace for more room.
    #4 ... Remove all bolts on intake manifold ... good idea to remove carb too
    #5 ... Remove valve covers
    #6 ... Remove Intake Manifold
    #7 ... Remove the rocker arms and pushrods from the problem head
    #8 ... Remove all bolts from the exhaust manifold
    #9 ... Remove the 10 bolts holding the head on the block
    #10 ... Remove any accessorries bolted to the front of the head
    #11 ... Remove the head
    #12 ... Carefully remove/inspect the head gasket and see if the gasket failure is obvious
    #13 ... If the failure is not obvious you should have the head checked out for cracks
    #14 ... Remove, Scrape, Clean all old gaskets and surfaces ....

    Reverse to put it all back together .. You have to install both the head bolts and intake bolts in the proper order to the proper torque or you bound to have problems again.

    I probably forgot something but you get the idea .... and this is all assuming that nothing broke, bent or cracked due to the head gasket issue. Generally head gasket problems are cause by over heating ...
     
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    Buy a good head gasket there is to much work involved here to save a couple of bucks on a cheap gasket.
     
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    Yup ... go with Fel-pro ... about $35 for the head gasket ...
     
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    I would replace both head gaskets and do the job right. If you have one bad gasket go the other will follow. You are going to take it apart anyway so it doesn't matter if you take the other head off.

    If you have any other problems let us know and we can help. Good luck
     
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    I took the intake off today and found that the intake gasket was broken between the water port and the gas port there was water in the middle section when I took off the intake. Can water enter the piston chamber without blowing out the head gasket?
     

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    Yes, water could enter through the intake valve. Originally you said that the water came out of the second cylinder from the back when you removed the plug. The break you are showing in the most recent picture would effect the cylinder of that particular intake port.
     
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    so should I remove the heads and check the gaskets or is it probably the intake gasket. How do I get the water out of the cylinder?
     

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