Engine vibration needs suggestions

Discussion in 'Technical' started by borris, Dec 5, 2008.

  1. borris

    borris Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    Maverick
    I've searched the forums fairly extensively and found lots of problems and when they are solved the person usually doesn't report back as to its outcome. I don't want to re-hash a subject, but I don't seem to find a solution to my issue. Here are the details:

    1974 Maverick 250 I6
    35,000 original miles


    I just bought the car a few months ago and found a unique engine vibration in at at 2500-3000 rpm. In haste, I ordered a rebuilt long block and swapped out engines. Same issue. The only parts that are swapped from the original engine is:

    3 groove harmonic balancer
    Transmission

    (I replaced everything else, including new flexplate. The mounts are original. The transmission is incredibly clean and works well. Balancer looks new and has very little wear.)

    The vibration is a rhythmic vibration that peaks in the 2500-3000 rpm range. Would this be something in the balancer or possibly the mounts? Torque converter?

    I will be more than happy to work with your suggestions and post the results.
     
  2. Bryant

    Bryant forgot more than learned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    6,538
    Likes Received:
    153
    Trophy Points:
    203
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    San Diego
    Vehicle:
    71 Maverick
    Is the vibration when you rev it up to those rpms or is it when your driveing at those rpms?
    What accessorys does your motor have?
    Try removing the Belts, rev it to where the vibration occures. Is it still there or is it gone? dont run it with out the belts for more than 1 to 2 min.
    It could the the torque converter also.
     
  3. borris

    borris Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    Maverick
    Vibration occurs at revs and driving rpms alike.

    Did as suggested: Removed all belts and ran for 1 minute.

    Outcome: Vibration is still present.

    Since the car sat for 10+ years. Would torque converter be a possible culprit or even be likely?
     
  4. Bryant

    Bryant forgot more than learned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    6,538
    Likes Received:
    153
    Trophy Points:
    203
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    San Diego
    Vehicle:
    71 Maverick
    that all that is left. maybe a weight fell off it or all that siting allowe enought setiment to form on what was the lowest point druing the 10 years of siting. that would creat a imbalance. at this point i would have the converter set out for cleaning or replace it.
     
  5. Mavman72

    Mavman72 Gone backwards but lookin' forward

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    6,759
    Likes Received:
    272
    Trophy Points:
    273
    Location:
    Buffalo N.Y.
    Vehicle:
    1972 Maverick 2 door.Original V-8 3 spd std shift.Also a 72 one owner Sprint sporting a 351 Windsor
    The only other component you re-used was the harmonic balancer??
    Personally I would have replaced that as well,slipped balancer will cause the vibes too.:yup:
    I would check crank endplay on the new engine as well too much thrust bearing clearance will make the crank walk and cause your vibe as well.
    Just becuase its a re-man dont mean the thrust is correct.Good luck.
     
  6. borris

    borris Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    Maverick
    This is a new motor with the same engine vibration as the last motor. Which, when you put everything into question, the only thing that is common with the two motors is the harmonic balancer, transmission, and mounts. One of those has to be suspect, but which one is more likely. It's no fun replacing part after part trying to find the culprit.
     
  7. borris

    borris Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    Maverick
    On the docket is:

    Remove and replace torque converter
    Replace transmission mount
    Replace harmonic balancer

    I will have results posted by tuesday.
     
  8. Dan Starnes

    Dan Starnes Original owner

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2002
    Messages:
    5,235
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Location:
    West Central IL
    Vehicle:
    Stallion, 72 Grabber, Sprint, 77 4dr Maverick
    I am thinking harmonic balancer with the info provided.
    Dan
     
  9. HOMERMAV

    HOMERMAV Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2002
    Messages:
    1,439
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NW.OHIO
    Vehicle:
    1971 MAVERICK
    borris i think your headed in the right diretion bryant is right about the torqe converter after sitting so long or a weight fell off keep us posted
     
  10. maverick1970

    maverick1970 MCG State Rep

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    7,372
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    242
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    69 1/2, 70 Maverick and 71 Grabber
    I would start with the harmonic balancer.
     
  11. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    When you replaced the flex-plate , you did get one for a 250 six cylinder, right?
    The V-8 plate will bolt on but it has a counter-balance weight and the six's don't use one. Same with the balancer.
     
  12. Bryant

    Bryant forgot more than learned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    6,538
    Likes Received:
    153
    Trophy Points:
    203
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    San Diego
    Vehicle:
    71 Maverick
    he has the same vibration as before. the converter or the balancer are all that can really be causing it. i dont know if there is a balancer that will fit that motor that could be have the wrong imbalance. sence he says that it looks new, it could be the wrong one.
    the balancer is alot easyer to change than the converter so it might be a good idea to change that first but i really suspect the converter to be the problem
     
  13. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    Converters are zero balance. None of them are used as engine counterweights.
    New ones can sit around for years on the shelf - what would make it go out of balance?
    If he bought a flex-plate for a 302 instead of the 250 he would have an out of balance issue. If the old one was out of a 302 he would have the same out of balance as before. If the balancer/pulleys are one piece then they are for his 250. The V-8 balancers have bolt on pulleys but the sixs are integral.
     
  14. Bob Wiken

    Bob Wiken Chronologically Gifted

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    1,592
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    102
    Location:
    Fayetteville, Arkansas
    Vehicle:
    1973 maverick, '87 306 H.O., roller rockers C4
    On my car, I had a Vib. Changed the balancer. Changed the trans mount. Found a broken motor mount, changed both of them. Still had the vibe. Trans was working fine until it blew up. it turns out the input shaft had a bushing that was completely toast causing the vib and the breakage of the motor mt and trans mount. Had the trans re-built ans no vibe at all now
     
  15. borris

    borris Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    Maverick
    Verified that the flexplate and balancer was indeed for a 250.

    My suspicion is the transmission as well. They are "reasonable" for a rebuilt one, maybe I should go that route.
     

Share This Page