torque management also KILLS those $$$$$ brembo brakes. in the newer srts, you can turn the esp off fully
Yeah. For 2011 Ford's betting on the Eco-boost 3.5 Turbo motor in the F-150. 360 HP and 420 FT/LBS at 2500 RPM. And like 25 MPG. The 6.2 has 411 hp and 434 pounds-feet. I haven't driven any of the new 2011 trucks but I thought the new Ford 6.2 would be pretty impressive. And what is it with that torque management doesn't turn all the way off thing? Dodge doesn't trust people with 5.7s to drive responsibly? Dodge honestly made a beautiful car. It has to be because they are trying to screw it up as hard as they can and we still like em'. I mean come on Dodge. Why is the bigger HEMI sooooo much more expensive than the 5.7? $13K more? really? Why don't you guys just chase SRT-8 fans off with a shotgun. At least that would be fun to watch
Always been a huge complaint with us techs here at the dealer. Why have an ESP off switch if it doesnt fully work. Liability maybe?? The new models are suppose to be an actual off switch. Believe it when I see it. SRT is a big price jump but the car also has a lot of improvements. Engine internals are totallydifferent,suspension,brakes,wheels/tires,interior,software,cooling, its a big list. A lot of hardware for 13 grand. Try and make all those upgrades on a 5.7 and I guarantee its way over 13 grand.
I presented the question of torque management to a Ford engineer a few years ago about the 6.0l diesel and his response was that it was their job to make the most reliable power they can so they control how much torque is applied to the drivetrain and transmission to protect it and to make it last through the warranty period. not to mention the deletion of a lot of strategy and design information they leave out of service publications now so they do not have that same info used against them by gold digging lawyers.
agreed, price out JUST the brembo brake upgrade.... And for the fully off switch, i was referring for 3 mode esp which isnt "fully" off but its not far from it. In that mode in a manual srt ALMOST feels like a real car here is a quote directly from techconnect The ESP Off Switch is located in the Instrument Panel Switch Pod in the center of the instrument panel. The ESP Off switch turns the Electronic Stability Program off whenever the switch is depressed. Depressing the switch a second time turns the ESP back on. The switch resets itself each time the ignition is cycled. When the ESP Off switch is depressed and released, turning ESP off, it does not completely turn the system off. The ESP system reduces torque management to a lesser amount, but ESP function can still occur if the system perceives the need. This vehicle has what is known as three-mode ESP. When the ESP Off switch is depressed and quickly released, the system turns off ESP like any other model, but if the switch is held down for a period of five seconds or longer before releasing, the ESP system further reduces the amount of torque management provided. The system can be returned to “normal” by briefly pressing and releasing the ESP Off switch. The ESP Off switch is serviced as part of the Instrument Panel Switch Pod. hope thats not a copyright infringement
well with a tuner such as diablo which is what i use you can actually completely turn torque management off. the other thing that i hate about dodge is thier stupid kindergarden designed pcm. the way its all set up i can think of maybe 5 names in the whole unitied states that can actually tune the newer chrysler product worth a damn and just for email tunes your looking at $250 to start and thats if you never change a thing after you get it tuned right. dyno tunes are whole other animal starting at $400. at least ford is cheap and reliable when it comes to that part of things. id really like to see chrysler start working with the after market vendors more but hey i guess it doesnt really matter all my money is going into the maverick anyways.
Well at least I understand it a little better Thanks. Still seems crazy that it would cost so much more. But I guess you just cant plunk the baddest ass motor in the base car anymore like they did in the 60s. Too many other systems are integrated and tuned to that particular power-plant. Just wondering what the difference in internals is between the 6.4 HEMI and Chevy's LS-3. Just strikes me funny that the Ford motor is the highest tech of the bunch by a long shot and it costs the least. If I only had the Camaro and Challenger to choose from and price was no object I'd get the SRT-8 in a heartbeat (Sorry Chevy). I have several Mopar friends and I'm sad for them. The only Pony car in the same price range for them is the 5.7 R/T and it's so badly out performed by the other two that they don't want it.
the bad thing is it doesnt have to be that way if chrysler whould just start working with the after market world the way ford and chevy does. you can spend almost half as much to build a chevy or a ford as you do one of the new hemi's whether its the 5.7l or the 6.1. hell the heads for my 5.7 are cnc'd with a 2.02 intake and i believe 1.65 exhaust i may be wrong on that one but they are just redone stock heads with a price tag of $2600. and no that doesn't include gaskets or head bolts thats just to get them made because there is no aftermarkets available. the mopar performance heads well lets just say that same amount gets you 2 bare heads. its outrageous.
I keep hoping Ford will offer a new age LX with non power seats, locks, and windows. With basic stereo and no A/C for us Cheap speed freaks. I imagine the price could get down to 27-28K for a lighter faster Mustang. Imagine 12.30 @ 114 with a 100,000 mile warranty
It's already close to $27-28k if you get a good deal... with all standard features. I think they chose to not make an "LX" model due to the cost of supplying that many more parts for a small special interest crowd wanting bare necessities.
Yeah. You could be right since things like manual window cranks and door locks are not even manufactured for Stangs any more. It's also probably easier to put A/C in all of em' instead of having different parts for the non A/C cars. I still would love to see something like the 86 Comp-prep SVO Mustang. But the GT and next years BOSS will carry the high profile performance torch. I still dream of a factory Mustang with no A/C, power windows, power locks, And other things optional like stereo delete, rear defroster. Might get the car into the mid 20K range. I bet Ford doesn't want the "cheap Stang" representing its performance pinnacle like the old 87-93 LX notch did. The Mustang has gotten so expensive that I can't convince myself to buy one. I saw an article that said in inflation adjusted dollars a fully loaded 86 GT would cost a little over 20K. I know you get a lot more standard. And the performance is light years beyond the 86. But for those of us who just want the body, engine, and brakes, and a low monthly payment I guess those days are over I always wanted to go to the Ford dealer in 1992 or so and option out an LX notch 5-Speed. But I was 20 and poor. But I did have an 85 GT that was almost as good.
I think I've seen the 5.0C listed as 450lbs. Being all aluminum, I can see it being a close match in weight to the all iron 5.0 even though it's slightly larger in size.
